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	<title>Comments on: MooTools Core 1.3.2 and More 1.3.2.1</title>
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		<title>By: cainrus</title>
		<link>http://mootools.net/blog/2011/04/28/mootools-core-1-3-2-and-more-1-3-2-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1997</link>
		<dc:creator>cainrus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 10:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Maybe you, guys, can tell us how can we help build mootools together. Create some contests or something.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe you, guys, can tell us how can we help build mootools together. Create some contests or something.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: SamGoody</title>
		<link>http://mootools.net/blog/2011/04/28/mootools-core-1-3-2-and-more-1-3-2-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1995</link>
		<dc:creator>SamGoody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 May 2011 10:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Go Moo Go!
Thanks for the great work. Mootools just keeps on rocking!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go Moo Go!
Thanks for the great work. Mootools just keeps on rocking!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: cainrus</title>
		<link>http://mootools.net/blog/2011/04/28/mootools-core-1-3-2-and-more-1-3-2-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1993</link>
		<dc:creator>cainrus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2011 22:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great. I like to watch for new mootools releases. You create perfect js.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great. I like to watch for new mootools releases. You create perfect js.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: gonchuki</title>
		<link>http://mootools.net/blog/2011/04/28/mootools-core-1-3-2-and-more-1-3-2-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1991</link>
		<dc:creator>gonchuki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2011 13:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Rudie: there&#039;s also the fact that Sizzle is not fully CSS3-compliant, so stuff like :nth-last-child and :nth-last-of-type will give a false sense of support in Sizzle in browsers with qSA and fail terribly on older browsers.
Slick implements the whole CSS3 spec from the beginning, as cpojer said it&#039;s more about accuracy than speed.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rudie: there&#8217;s also the fact that Sizzle is not fully CSS3-compliant, so stuff like :nth-last-child and :nth-last-of-type will give a false sense of support in Sizzle in browsers with qSA and fail terribly on older browsers.
Slick implements the whole CSS3 spec from the beginning, as cpojer said it&#8217;s more about accuracy than speed.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: dreadcast</title>
		<link>http://mootools.net/blog/2011/04/28/mootools-core-1-3-2-and-more-1-3-2-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1990</link>
		<dc:creator>dreadcast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2011 10:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;About V8 (and probably nodejs) : it works !&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Object (and his lil&#039; bro Hash), Date, Locale work as well, but in Date.js, this line :&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;var Date = this.Date = {};&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;has to be commented out (I don&#039;t know why, I haven&#039;t dug deep enough).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Unfortunately, since there&#039;s no window or document object, it looks like Element is going to be a little bit more complicated to implement.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About V8 (and probably nodejs)&#160;: it works&#160;!</p>

<p>Object (and his lil&#8217; bro Hash), Date, Locale work as well, but in Date.js, this line&#160;:</p>

<p>var Date = this.Date = {};</p>

<p>has to be commented out (I don&#8217;t know why, I haven&#8217;t dug deep enough).</p>

<p>Unfortunately, since there&#8217;s no window or document object, it looks like Element is going to be a little bit more complicated to implement.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Rolf</title>
		<link>http://mootools.net/blog/2011/04/28/mootools-core-1-3-2-and-more-1-3-2-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1988</link>
		<dc:creator>Rolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2011 07:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thumbs up to the team&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thumbs up to the team</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: dreadcast</title>
		<link>http://mootools.net/blog/2011/04/28/mootools-core-1-3-2-and-more-1-3-2-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1983</link>
		<dc:creator>dreadcast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 23:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ll try this release with v8cgi tomorrow... I hope it&#039;ll work, unlike 1.3.1 which seems to be uncompatible dued to &quot;Function&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;God I miss Jaxer which worked altogether with mootools (Not only Class, but Element, Date, Array, Hash, Window or Event as well).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Is there any way to get Element back into the server build ?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll try this release with v8cgi tomorrow&#8230; I hope it&#8217;ll work, unlike 1.3.1 which seems to be uncompatible dued to &#8220;Function&#8221;.</p>

<p>God I miss Jaxer which worked altogether with mootools (Not only Class, but Element, Date, Array, Hash, Window or Event as well).</p>

<p>Is there any way to get Element back into the server build&#160;?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: cpojer</title>
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		<dc:creator>cpojer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 22:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Rudie a couple of years ago we made this statement about Sizzle: http://mootools.net/blog/2008/12/04/sizzle/&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Slick is not only about speed but mostly about accuracy. It doesn&#039;t matter how fast your engine is, if at any time it returns wrong results. You must be able to rely on your selector engine to be correct at all times and this is what we focus on. Also note that Slick is optimized for all selectors and not just a couple of selectors that we assume you use often.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Slick does use qSA if available and appropriate.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;SlickSpeed came from a time when selector engines took several hundred ms to match certain elements. As you can see, the difference in all selectors is only a few ms. Microseconds. And this difference probably comes from rounding errors. All selector engines are fast enough and if you experience slowdowns because of the used selector engine you either have inappropriate code (no caching etc.) or a huuuuge document. Please don&#039;t use SlickSpeed any more to compare selector engines. It helped improve engines a few years ago, but the aim SlickSpeed used to have is fulfilled and the project is finished. As said, Slick is about accuracy first, speed second.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Please note that MooTools 2.0 will likely allow to switch out the Finder part of Slick with any other selector engine (Slick.Finder.js, Slick.Parser.js will still be required). I don&#039;t promise it though. I coined it a couple of days ago and we have a possible implementation.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rudie a couple of years ago we made this statement about Sizzle: <a href="http://mootools.net/blog/2008/12/04/sizzle/" rel="nofollow">http://mootools.net/blog/2008/12/04/sizzle/</a></p>

<p>Slick is not only about speed but mostly about accuracy. It doesn&#8217;t matter how fast your engine is, if at any time it returns wrong results. You must be able to rely on your selector engine to be correct at all times and this is what we focus on. Also note that Slick is optimized for all selectors and not just a couple of selectors that we assume you use often.</p>

<p>Slick does use qSA if available and appropriate.</p>

<p>SlickSpeed came from a time when selector engines took several hundred ms to match certain elements. As you can see, the difference in all selectors is only a few ms. Microseconds. And this difference probably comes from rounding errors. All selector engines are fast enough and if you experience slowdowns because of the used selector engine you either have inappropriate code (no caching etc.) or a huuuuge document. Please don&#8217;t use SlickSpeed any more to compare selector engines. It helped improve engines a few years ago, but the aim SlickSpeed used to have is fulfilled and the project is finished. As said, Slick is about accuracy first, speed second.</p>

<p>Please note that MooTools 2.0 will likely allow to switch out the Finder part of Slick with any other selector engine (Slick.Finder.js, Slick.Parser.js will still be required). I don&#8217;t promise it though. I coined it a couple of days ago and we have a possible implementation.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: cpojer</title>
		<link>http://mootools.net/blog/2011/04/28/mootools-core-1-3-2-and-more-1-3-2-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1981</link>
		<dc:creator>cpojer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 22:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;https://mootools.lighthouseapp.com/projects/2706/tickets/1189-global-object-in-commonjs-environments this is the issue we are trying to solve in the future.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://mootools.lighthouseapp.com/projects/2706/tickets/1189-global-object-in-commonjs-environments" rel="nofollow">https://mootools.lighthouseapp.com/projects/2706/tickets/1189-global-object-in-commonjs-environments</a> this is the issue we are trying to solve in the future.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: leeeb</title>
		<link>http://mootools.net/blog/2011/04/28/mootools-core-1-3-2-and-more-1-3-2-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1980</link>
		<dc:creator>leeeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 22:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I just went looking for the node.js changes, there&#039;s no lighthouse ticket for it but this seems to be the commit https://github.com/mootools/mootools-core/commit/8521f484fff56bafe48bbaed5ff3dced760d382.  The problem seems to be the different scope of &quot;this&quot; between conventional browser based scripts and commonjs environments such as node.js.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just went looking for the node.js changes, there&#8217;s no lighthouse ticket for it but this seems to be the commit <a href="https://github.com/mootools/mootools-core/commit/8521f484fff56bafe48bbaed5ff3dced760d382" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/mootools/mootools-core/commit/8521f484fff56bafe48bbaed5ff3dced760d382</a>.  The problem seems to be the different scope of &#8220;this&#8221; between conventional browser based scripts and commonjs environments such as node.js.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: cpojer</title>
		<link>http://mootools.net/blog/2011/04/28/mootools-core-1-3-2-and-more-1-3-2-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1979</link>
		<dc:creator>cpojer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 21:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@doubleTap we introduced a change in 1.3.1 in which we used the file-wide &quot;this&quot; as global variable. In modules in nodeJS &#039;this&#039;  refers to the module and not to the global variable. We have reverted this change for now.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@doubleTap we introduced a change in 1.3.1 in which we used the file-wide &#8220;this&#8221; as global variable. In modules in nodeJS &#8216;this&#8217;  refers to the module and not to the global variable. We have reverted this change for now.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: CristianTheEvil</title>
		<link>http://mootools.net/blog/2011/04/28/mootools-core-1-3-2-and-more-1-3-2-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1978</link>
		<dc:creator>CristianTheEvil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 21:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I Got it!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thanks&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I Got it!</p>

<p>Thanks</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: doubleTap</title>
		<link>http://mootools.net/blog/2011/04/28/mootools-core-1-3-2-and-more-1-3-2-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1977</link>
		<dc:creator>doubleTap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 20:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What was broken in node.js that was fixed with this release?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What was broken in node.js that was fixed with this release?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Rudie</title>
		<link>http://mootools.net/blog/2011/04/28/mootools-core-1-3-2-and-more-1-3-2-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1976</link>
		<dc:creator>Rudie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 20:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Why doesn&#039;t Mootools use Sizzle? jQuery uses Sizzle and is always much faster. Even the Slick test proves that. Total 2 for Sizzle and total 11 for Slick.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Does Mootools use document.querySelector(All) when avaiable?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why doesn&#8217;t Mootools use Sizzle? jQuery uses Sizzle and is always much faster. Even the Slick test proves that. Total 2 for Sizzle and total 11 for Slick.</p>

<p>Does Mootools use document.querySelector(All) when avaiable?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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